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Onshore Renewable Energy Workshop - Part 4


February 10, 2011


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GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. THERE ARE STILL PLENTY OF SEATS IN THE BACK, AND COURTNEY, IF YOU COULD HELP US ROUND EVERYBODY UP AND SEND THEM DOWN TO THE FRONT THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE ARE PRIVILEGED THIS MORNING TO HAVE JOHN PODESTA ADDRESS US AND I WANT TO BE MINDFUL AND RESPECTFUL OF HIS TIME. HE NEEDS TO LEAVE PROMPTLY AFTER HE HAS CONCLUDED HIS REMARKS. I APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION. WE WANT TO START NOW. THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THIS CONFERENCE AND FOR MAKING YESTERDAY A BIG SUCCESS. I THINK IT IS CLEAR FROM THE SECRETARY'S COMMENTS BEGINNING YESTERDAY MORNING THROUGHOUT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT OCCURRED DURING THE DAY YESTERDAY THAT THE IMPERATIVE TO BUILD RENEWABLE ENERGY AND TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS AGENDA IS CLEAR. I THINK IT IS ALSO CLEAR TO THE DEPARTMENT AND THE AGENCIES THAT YOU HEARD FROM YESTERDAY AND THAT ARE HERE AT THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THIS RIGHT. WE HAVE A UNIQUE CHALLENGE AND OPPORTUNITY IN THIS HISTORIC TIME, DURING THIS ADMINISTRATION, GIVEN THE REAL PUSH THAT WE GOT BEGINNING WITH THE TRANSITION TEAM THAT JOHN LED THROUGH THE STIMULUS BILL TO STAND UP THIS INDUSTRY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE CONGRESS AND THE STIMULUS ACT PROVIDED. I SAY THAT BECAUSE YESTERDAY'S ANNOUNCEMENT BY CHAIRMAN ROGERS TO CUT $900 MILLION FROM EERE, WHICH ESSENTIALLY WOULD EVISCIRATE THE ENERGY, ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND RENEWABLE ENERGY PROGRAM AT DOE TO CUT THE $1.4 BILLION DOLLARS FROM THE DOE LOAN GARENTEE PROGRAM DOES PUT IN STARK CONTRAST THE COMMITMENT OF THIS ADMINISTRATION TO STANDING UP A CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY TO THE ONE THAT WE SEE ON THE HORIZON. AND I THINK SENATOR WEBB'S ANNOUNCEMENT YESTERDAY JUST PUTS IN STARK CONTRAST, IN STARK RELIEF FOR US THE CHALLENGE. 

WE ARE PRIVILEGED TO HAVE JOHN ADDRESS US THIS MORNING. JOHN HAS THE BENEFIT OF THE BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE. HE WAS THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO PRESIDENT CLINTON—LIVED IN A PERIOD, DURING THE CLINTON WHITE HOUSE, WITH A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS WHERE THESE CHALLENGES REALLY THWARTED THIS NATION'S ABILITY TO STAND UP A CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY. AS YOU HEARD SECRETARY SALAZAR SAY AGAIN YESTERDAY, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ENERGY INDEPENDENCE AND THE CHALLENGE OF ENERGY FOR A LONG TIME. THIS SHOULD NOT BE A PARTISAN QUESTION. THIS IS ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY, IT'S ABOUT ECONOMIC SECURITY AND IT'S ABOUT OUR PUBLIC HEALTH AND THE ENVIRONMENT. WE ARE COMMITTED TO ACHIEVING THAT AGENDA. WE NEED TO STAY; WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET THAT DONE. A HOUSE DIVIDED, OBVIOUSLY, WON'T SUCCEED. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO COME HERE AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH US. THERE IS STILL WORK TO BE DONE. THERE ARE A BREAKOUT SESSIONS TODAY TO ADDRESS FURTHER ISSUES AND CHALLENGES. THE BREAKOUT SESSIONS TODAY ARE DESIGNED TO HELP FACILITATE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS AROUND SOME CHALLENGING ISSUES AND I REALLY COMMEND EACH OF THOSE TO YOU. WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AFTER THE BREAKOUT SESSIONS TO REPORT OUT ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS. THE CONVERSATIONS WILL CONTINUE. BUT I AM MINDFUL OF ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS REPRESENTED HERE AND THE INTERESTS; WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING THAT DIALOGUE AND CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION. I DON'T KNOW IF DAVID LANDFROM IS STILL HERE—DAVID, ARE YOU STILL HERE? STAND UP FOR ME. DAVID, I WANT TO SAY A WORD OF THANKS TO DAVID, WHO HOSTED ME FOR TWO DAYS IN THE MOJAVE. WE HAD A WONDERFUL TWO-DAY SESSION BEGINNING WITH ABOUT A 5 HOUR MEETING WITH PROBABLY 20 DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE MOJAVE; PEOPLE WHO HAVE HOMESTEADED IN THE DESERT, PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE DESERT AND NOT ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT DAVID WAS KIND ENOUGH TO TRAVEL. DAVID, THANK YOU FOR HOSTING THAT SESSION AND MAKING THAT POSSIBLE FOR ME AND FOR BEING HERE TODAY. THE VOICES THAT DAVID'S COLLEAGUES REPRESENTS ARE VOICES THAT ARE HERE TODAY AND THAT WE ARE LISTENING TO, WE WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT. WE WANT TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOU TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN BOTH STAND UP A CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY, AND DO IT IN THE RIGHT PLACES, AND DO IT WISELY. DAVID STARTED THAT MEETING BY SAYING, IF YOU WANT TO GO FAST, GO ALONE. BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO FAR, GO TOGETHER. SO I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO END WITH THAT THEME AND URGE US ALL TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION WITH THAT GOAL IN MIND. THANK YOU, DAVID.

IS IT OK IF I SIT DOWN NOW? [LAUGHTER]
 

YES, SIR. SO I AM PLEASED TO INTRODUCE JOHN PODESTA THIS MORNING. I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW JOHN, SO I WILL NOT GO THROUGH HIS BIOGRAPHY. AS I SAID, JOHN BRINGS THE ADVANTAGE OF A PERSPECTIVE OF THE BIG PICTURE AND THE ARC OF HISTORY. THANK YOU, MR. SECRETARY, FOR JOINING US THIS MORNING. WITHOUT FURTHER ADIEU, I AM GOING TO ASK JOHN TO TAKE THE STAGE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TIMELY. JOHN THANK YOU SO MUCH. PLEASE WELCOME JOHN PODESTA. [APPLAUSE]

THANK YOU SO MUCH, STEVE. AND MR. SECRETARY, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AND THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO SPEAK HERE THIS MORNING. THIS IS A REALLY TERRIFIC GATHERING, TRULY AN IMPORTANT TOPIC TO THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY, TO THE ABILITY, AS THE PRESIDENT SAID, TO WIN THE FUTURE. YESTERDAY, YOU BEGAN THIS CONFERENCE BY HEARING FROM SECRETARY SALAZAR, SECRETARY CHU, AND SECRETARY VILSACK. AND THIS MORNING YOU GET ME. THAT IS LIKE GOING FROM "TRUE GRIT" TO "SPIDER-MAN, THE MUSICAL." [LAUGHTER] ON BEHALF OF STEVE, I APOLOGIZE TO YOU, BUT HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE A COUPLE OF INSIGHTFUL THINGS TO SAY. IT'S IMPRESSIVE TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE DISCUSSING STRATEGIES FOR ACTUALLY DEPLOYING RENEWABLE ENERGY, AND FOR DOING SO IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY AND CULTURALLY SENSITIVE WAY. THE WORK YOU'RE DOING ON THE GROUND TODAY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER BEFORE. AS A COUNTRY, WE ARE FACING AN ENERGY CHALLENGE THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED IN ITS URGENCY. IN ITS STAKES, IT ITS SCOPE AND I BELIEVE IN ITS OPPORTUNITY. FOR 200 YEARS WE HAVE RELIED ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY ON HIGH CARBON FUELS, LIKE COAL AND OIL, TO POWER ECONOMIC GROWTH AND RAISE LIVING STANDARDS AND INCREASED MOBILITY. NOW, MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO IS, QUITE FRANKLY, IS NO LONGER A POSSIBILITY. HOW WE CHOOSE TO PRODUCE AND CONSUME ENERGY TODAY WILL CHANGE OUR COUNTRY FOR EITHER GOOD OR FOR ILL FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME. AT THE CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS, AND I AM JOINED BY A COUPLE OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE, TOM KENWORTH AND KRISSY GOLDFUST. WE HAVE LONG ADVOCATED FOR, AS THE SECRETARY KNOWS, WE HAVE LONG ADVOCATED FOR BUILDING A NEW ECONOMY AND REALLY PUTTING PEOPLE TO WORK, A NEW ECONOMY BASED ON CLEAN ENERGY, INNOVATION AND DIVERSIFICATION. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS TRANSFORMATION PRESENTS US WITH PROFOUND OPPORTUNITIES FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. WITH CLEAN ENERGY WE NOT ONLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO AVOID A WORST-CASE CLIMATE SCENARIO, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE MILLIONS OF NEW JOBS DEPLOYING NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY THAT ARE CLEAN AND DOMESTICALLY PRODUCED AND FREE OURSELVES FROM THE DANGEROUS DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR OVER HALF OF OUR OVERALL TRADE DEFICIT. HOWEVER, THE WAY WE BUILD OUR CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE ALSO MATTERS. WE'RE LOOKING AT CLEAN ENERGY TODAY BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT HIGH CARBON FOSSIL FUELS THREATEN OUR ECONOMY, OUR SECURITY, OUR HEALTH, OUR CULTURE, AND ENVIRONMENTAL HERITAGE. THIS MEANS THAT GOING FORWARD, WE MUST BE CAREFUL TO DEVELOP CLEAN ENERGY IN A WAY THAT INFERS ALL THE PROTECTIONS THAT FOSSIL FUELS DOES NOT. THAT IS ESPECIALLY TRUE WHEN IT COMES TO OUR PUBLIC LANDS AND WATERS, WHICH WILL BE ESSENTIAL TO OUR CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE AS THEY WERE TO OUR FOSSIL FUEL PAST. THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR MANAGES TENS OF MILLIONS OF ACRES THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT SOLAR, WIND, OR GEOTHERMAL POTENTIAL. AS I KNOW YOU HEARD YESTERDAY, OUR OFFSHORE EXCLUSIVE ECONOMIC ZONE EXTENDING 200 MILES OUT FROM OUR SHORES HAS WIND RESOURCES CAPABLE OF PRODUCING MORE THAN FOUR TIMES OUR NATION'S CURRENT ELECTRICITY GENERATION CAPACITY, ACCORDING TO DATA COMPILED BY THE NATIONAL RENEWABLE ENERGY LABORATORY IN 2010. AS WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT LARGE SCALE RENEWABLE GENERATION IN PARTICULAR, IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO IMAGINE OUR CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE WITHOUT TAPPING INTO THE ENORMOUS CLEAN ENERGY POTENTIAL OF OUR PUBLIC LANDS AND PUBLIC WATERS. THAT'S WHY I AM SO GLAD THE SECRETARY HAS MADE THIS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PRIORITY FOR THE DEPARTMENT. BUT I ALSO THINK IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT DONE RIGHT, CLEAN ENERGY DEVELOPMENT IS CENTRAL TO PROTECTING THE LANDS THEMSELVES.

CLIMATE CHANGE POSES AN ENORMOUS THREAT TO OUR PUBLIC LANDS AND RESOURCES. IT THREATENS TO UPSET OUR PRAIRIES, OUR DESERTS, OUR COASTS, AND OUR WATER IN WAYS THAT ARE HARD TO EVEN IMAGINE. AND IT IS ALREADY CAUSING IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE TO SOME OF THESE FRAGILE ECOSYSTEMS. TRANSITIONING FROM CARBON INTENSIVE FUELS TO CLEAN AND POLLUTION-FREE ENERGY OFFERS A WAY TO SOFTEN THE IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND, IN SO DOING, PRESENTS A NEW STEWARDSHIP STRATEGY TO PROTECT OUR LAND AND WATERS FOR THE FUTURE. FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE ME, I WOULD REFERENCE YOU TO THE FIRES IN RUSSIA LAST SUMMER, THIS DROUGHT IN CHINA THIS, AS WE SPEAK, THE FLOODS IN PAKISTAN LAST FALL. SO EVEN AS WE LOOK TO EXPAND CLEAN ENERGY PRODUCTION IN OUR PUBLIC LANDS AND OUR PUBLIC WATERS, WE MUST KEEP THE DAY-TO-DAY WORK OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IN MIND. RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS CAN STILL DISRUPT THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT IF PUT IN THE WRONG PLACES AND IF PROPER PRECAUTIONS ARE NOT TAKEN. WE HAVE NOW COME FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS WITH THE REASONS WE DEVELOPEDING THE CLEAN ENERGY PLATFORM IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND BECAUSE WE HAVE NEVER BUILT WIND AND SOLAR PROJECTS OF THIS SIZE AND SCOPE BEFORE, WE HAVE TO TAKE SPECIAL PRECAUTIONS TO PROTECT THE LAND THE LANDS ON WHICH THEY ARE BUILT. WITH SUCH LARGE- SCALE DEVELOPMENTS, THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR A HUGE PAYOFF IF EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT AND THE POTENTIAL FOR BIG PROBLEMS IF THINGS GO WRONG. IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT SOME AREAS ARE JUST NOT APPROPRIATE FOR UTILITY-SCALE RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS AT ALL. I THINK EVERY PRESIDENT SINCE TEDDY ROOSEVELT AND EVERY SECRETARY OF INTERIOR FROM THOSE DAYS HAS KNOW THAT THERE ARE GREAT PLACES IN AMERICA THAT ARE WORTH PRESERVING IN THIS COUNTRY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. I THINK CERTAINLY THE PRESIDENT I WORKED FOR, PRESIDENT CLINTON, UNDERSTOOD THAT. I AM JOINED BY SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, INCLUDING GENERAL WES CLARK, WHO HAD A DIFFERENT ASSIGNMENT THEN, BUT IS NOW HARD AT WORK ON BRINGING THIS CLEAN RENEWABLE FUTURE TO FRUITION. BUT I THINK PRESIDENT CLINTON UNDERSTOOD THAT AND THAT IS WHY HE PRESERVED AND PROTECTED MORE LAND THAN ANY PRESIDENT SINCE TR. AND THAT'S WHY THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THIS DEPARTMENT ARE TAKING, AND MUST TAKE A STRATEGIC, COORDINATED AND BALANCED APPROACH TO CLEAN ENERGY DEVELOPMENT FROM THE VERY START. THESE PROJECTS ARE NEW, AND INVESTORS, CONSERVATIONISTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS ALL HAVE IMPORTANT OPINIONS ABOUT HOW THEY SHOULD BE BUILT—PROBABLY SOMETIMES TOO MANY OPINONS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AND PERMIT THEM, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO GET THE BUY IN, TO CREATE A GREATER CERTAINTY FOR STAKEHOLDERS, AND TO START BUILDING THESE PROJECTS IN EARNEST. WE NEED TO PUT IN THE WORK NOW TO CREATE A GOOD DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT WE CAN FOLLOW GOING FORWARD. THAT'S WHY THIS CONFERENCE IS SO CRITICAL TO GETTING THE INPUT OF SO MANY STAKEHOLDERS. THE ADMINISTRATION'S EXPERIENCES WITH RENEWABLE SITING SO FAR HAVE DEMONSTRATED, I THINK, WHY THIS IS THE CASE. FOR INSTANCE, THIS DEPARTMENT TOOK A FIRST STAB AT MOVING CLEAN ENERGY FORWARD BY USING A FAST-TRACK APPROVAL SYSTEM SINCE LAST YEAR TO JUMP START RENEWABLE ENERGY DEVELOPMENT ON PUBLIC LANDS AND TO HELP PROJECTS QUALIFY FOR THE RECOVERY ACT FUNDS AND TAX CREDITS BEFORE THE PROGRAMS EXPIRED. INTERIOR PUT 34 RELATIVELY, I GUESS NOW IT'S A TERM THAT EVEN THE PRESIDENT HAS EMBRACED, RELATIVELY SHOVEL READY RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS ON THE FAST-TRACK FOR APPROVAL LAST YEAR. OF THOSE, NINE SOLAR PROJECTS AND TWO WIND PROJECTS WERE APPROVED.

 

I THINK THE FAST-TRACK PROCESS WAS PERHAPS DRIVEN BY NECESSITY GIVEN THE TIMEFRAME, PARTICULARLY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE RECOVERY ACT. CERTAINLY IT WAS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE, NOT NECESSARILY, I THINK WE HAVE TO ADMIT, A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR SOME. SOME OF THE AREAS SELECTED FOR DEVELOPMENT WERE SIGNIFICANT TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES, AND TO CONSERVATIONISTS WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROJECTS' IMPACT ON WILDLIFE AND WATER RESOURCES. BECAUSE GROUPS LIKE DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE, AND THE NRDC, THE SIERRA CLUB, AND THE WILDERNESS SOCIETY ENGAGED THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT TO RESHAPE AND REVISE THE PROJECTS, I THINK WE GOT ACCEPTABLE OUTCOMES IN JUST ABOUT ALL OF THESE CASES. BUT STAKEHOLDERS I THINK SOMETIMES FELT A LITTLE BIT SHORTED BY THE FAST-TRACK PROCESS, WHICH AFTER THE DELAYS THAT ENSUED, PROBABLY WASN'T ALL THAT FAST IN THE END OF THE DAY.

 

I THINK, TO YOUR CREDIT, MR. SECRETARY, AND TO THE CREDIT OF THE DEPARTMENT, YOU TOOK THAT CRITICISM OF THAT PROCESS TO HEART. YOU ARE UPDATING AND IMPROVING THE PERMITTING PROCESS SUBSTANTIALLY. THERE IS STILL SOME WORK TO DO. THE NEW SOLAR ENERGY PLAN THAT YOU PUT OUT WITH SECRETARY CHU IN DECEMBER ENCOURAGES PROJECTS THAT CAN BE BUILT WHERE THEY MAKE THE MOST SENSE, WHERE ENVIRONMENTAL CONFLICTS ARE FEW, WHERE ACCESS TO TRANSMISSION IS BEST, AND SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE EXISTS OR CAN BE CREATED AT LOWER COST. YET, I THINK THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE IN THE PLAN WOULD PREMIT DEVELOPMENT ON 22 MILLION ACRES DESPITE THE FACT THAT MANY OF THESE ACRES SUPPORT CRITICAL AND FRAGILE HABITATS. I THINK, AGAIN, I THIKN IN MY VIEW THEY PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED. A BETTER ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO DIRECT UTILITY-SCALE TO THE SOLAR ZONES IN THE SIX WESTERN STATES, OUTLINED WITHIN THE PLAN. AGAIN, THAT IS THE VIEW OF THE THOSE OF US AT THE CENTER. SUCH SOLAR ZONES WHERE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS IS DONE IN ADVANCE AND ACCESS TO TRANSMISSION EXISTS OR IS PLANNED, OFFERS HIGHEST RENEWABLE ENERGY POTENTIAL. I THINK THAT IT OFFERS THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL AT THE LOWEST RISK. FOCUSING SOLAR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THESE ZONES COULD SPEED UP THE APPROVAL PROCESS ALSO BY DIRECTING LIMITED AGENCY RESOURCES TO PLACES WHERE PROJECTS COULD BE BUILT MORE QUICKLY AND IMPROVED COORDINATION AND COLLABBORATION AMONGST THE STAKEHOLDERS. THIS APPROACH I THINK WOUD ACTUALLY SPEED UP THE PROCESS AND WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY SPEED UP THE PROCESS BY SIDESTEPPING THE CONFLICTS AND DELYAS THAT SOMETIMES BOG DOWN AND SOMETIMES DID BOG DOWN THE LAST SET OF BLM-APPROVED SOLAR PROJECTS—MAKING THE ZONE SYSTEM THE MOST EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE WAY TO OPERATE AND THE 600,000 ACRES INCLUDED IN THE ZONES GIVE BLM MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM TO MEET THEIR RENEWABLE ENERGY PRODUCTION GOALS, AT LEAST OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. THIS DEPARTMENT IS ALSO FLESHING OUT THE SMART DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO GIVE DEVELOPERS AND GOVERNMENT MANAGERS ADDITIONAL STRATEGIES FOR BUILDING CLEAN ENERGY RESPONSIBLY. THE GUIDELINES OF THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE AND BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT ISSUED ON TUESDAY DEMONSTRATE THAT THE DEPARTMENT REACHED OUT TO STAKEHOLDERS; IT IS TRYING TO PUT THE LESSONS LEARNED TO GOOD USE. OF COURSE, TODAY'S WORKSHOP IS CERTAINLY FURTHER EVIDENCE OF THE DEPARTMENT'S INTEREST IN REACHING OUT TO STAKEHOLDERS TO LEARN FROM THE PAST AND IMPROVE THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT AND TO MAKE IT MORE SOUND.

 

THOUGH THESE COOPERATIVE MEETINGS ARE A GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE, IREALLY COMMEND YOU, MR. SECRETARY, FOR CONTINUING TO TAKE INPUT AND WORKING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS TODAY TO GET THE PROCESS RIGHT. THE PRACTICAL BENEFITS OF CONTINUING TO LEARN AND WORK TOGETHER TO DEVELOP A BETTER STRATEGY ARE TREMENDOUS. SELECTING GREEN LIGHT DEVELOPMENT AREAS WILL BE A HUGE BOON TO DEVELOPERS AND INVESTORS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR GREATER MARKET CERTAINTY AND A MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD REGULATORY PROCESS. WE CANNOT KEEP TYING ALL OF THIS CAPITAL UP FOR SO LONG WHILE THE PROCESS GRINDS ON AND WE ARE CREATING IT ANEW. BUILDING A BETTER PERMITTING PROCESS WILL ALSO PROVIDE CERTAINTY TO CONSERVATIONISTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WHO ARE RIGHTLY CONCERNED ABOUT IF FRAGILE ECOSYSTEMS AND CERTAINLY WATER RESOURCES. AND ENGAGING ALL PARTNERS AT THE BEGINNING CAN MAKE SURE THAT UTILITY-SCALE PROJECTS ENCOUNTER FAR FEWER CHALLENGES AND OBSTACLES THROUGHOUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND ONCE THOSE PERMITS ARE LET. I'VE TALKED SOME ABOUT WHAT THIS DEPARTMENT IN OUR VIEW CAN DO BETTER, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO APPLAUD THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR AND ENERGY FOR SOMETHING THEY ARE DOING RIGHT, RIGHT NOW. AFTER YEARS OF ESPECIALLY ONEROUS DELAYS, THE DEPARTMENTS ARE FINALLY PUSHING FORWARD WITH OFFSHORE WIND ENERGY. LAST SPRING, SECRETARY SALAZAR GAVE THE GREEN LIGHT TO WHAT WILL BECOME OUR NATION'S FIRST OFFSHORE WIND ENERGY FACILITY, THE CAPE WIND PROJECT OFF THE COAST OF MASSACHUSETTS. CAPE WIND' PERMITTING PROCESS STRETCHED OUT FOR MORE THAN A DECADE, MAKING THE PROJECT, PERHAPS, THE POSTER CHILD FOR OUR NATION'S INABILITY TO CAPITALIZE ON THE WEALTH OF CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY LYING JUST OFF OUR SHORES. NOW DOI AND DOE ARE MOVING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CAPE WIND PERMITTING QUAGMIRE NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. ON MONDAY, SECRETARIES SALAZAR AND CHU CAME TOGETHER AGAIN TO ISSUE A NATIONAL OFFSHORE WIND STRATEGY TO ACCELERATE WIND DEVELOPMENT IN FOUR STRATEGIC ZONES OFF THE MID-ATLANTIC COAST. THESE ZONES HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN CONSIDERED FOR OIL AND GAS DEVELOPMENT—SO LOOKING TO WIND DEVELOPMENT IN THESE WATERS IS A CLEAR STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. BUT IF THE CAPE TAUGHT US ANYTHING, IT IS THAT A WIDE VARIETY OF STAKEHOLDERS ALSO NEED TO BE INVOLVED OFFSHORE PLANNING PROCESS. THE CAPE DEVELOPERS CERTAINLY FAILED TO LOOK INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM CONSERVATIONISTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. THEY SUFFERED EXTRAORDINARY DELAYS AS A RESULT. I KNOW THAT AS THE SECRETARIES BEGIN TO UPDATE AND STREMLINE THE OFFSHORE PERMITTING PROCESS, THEY ARE APPLYING THE LESSONS AND METHODOLOGIES OF THE WORK THEY ARE DOING ON THE LAND AND THAT IS PART OF THIS CONFERENCE, TO BE SURE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO OUR OCEANS, ONLY THE RIGHT PROJECTS ARE BUILT AND IN THE RIGHT PLACES AS WELL.

 

I AM VERY ENCOURAGED, AGAIN, BY WHAT HAPPENED JUST THIS WEEK. OF COURSE FOR OFFSHORE WIND AND FOR DESERT SOLAR, HAVING A GOOD PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN PLACE IS CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT, BUT IT IS ONLY A PIECE OF WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO BUILD A CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE. I THINK THAT IS WHERE STEVE WAS FOCUSED IN HIS OPENING REMARKS. AS INVESTORS, AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AS GOVERNMENT MANAGERS, AND ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS WORK TOGETHER TO BUILD A CLEAN ENERGY PROJECTS FROM THE GROUND UP, GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STEP IN FROM THE OTHER SIDE AND GIVE NEEDED SUPPORT TO INNOVATION AND TO DEPLOYMENT THROUGH A VARIETY OF POLICY MEASURES. IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT PERMITTING—IT'S ABOUT SUPPORTING A STRATEGY TO BUILD OUT A CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE. EVEN WITHOUT COMPREHENSIVE CLIMATE AND ENERGY LEGISLATION, WHICH I THINK DIED IN THE LAST CONGRESS AND I THINK IS UNLIKELY TO BE RESURRECTED IN THIS CONGRESS, THERE IS STILL AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT CONGRESS AND THE ADMINISTRATION CAN DO TO SUPPORT THE EFFORTS OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WHO ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP THOSE CLEAN ENERGY RESOURCES. THEY CAN PROVIDE LOW-COST FINANCING TO GET YOUR PROJECTS UP AND MOVING AND TO PUSH DOWN THE COST OF LARGE-SCALE DEVELOPMENTS. THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE TAX CODE FAVORS FOR CLEAN, RENEWABLE ENERGY, RATHER THAN ENERGY FROM POLLUTING SOURCES THAT THREATEN OUR PUBLIC HEALTH. THEY CAN MEET THE PRESIDENT'S CHALLENGE IN THE STATE OF THE UNION OF PRODUCING 80% OF OUR ELECTRICITY BY 2035 FROM CLEAN RESOURCES. AND THEY CAN DO WITH THE RIGHT WAY, BY FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF STATES, BY EMPHASIZING RENEWABLE ENERGY IN THAT CLEAN ENERGY MIX. AND THEY CAN STOP THE CUTS IN THESE CRITICAL PROGRAMS THAT WILL ACTUALLY PRODUCE THE BREAKTHROUGH, RESULTS AND KNOW HOW, THAT CAN GET US ON THE RIGHT PATH. CLEAN ENERGY SHOULD NOT BE A PARTISAN ISSUE. GIVEN THE FIGHTS WE ARE ABOUT TO UNDERTAKE THE COURSE OF THIS SPRING, IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE PROGRAMS WERE TARGETED, IN PART, BECAUSE I THINK THE PRESIDENT MADE SUCH AN EMPHASIS ON BUILDING UP BOTH A RESEARCH BASE, THE INNOVATION BASE, THE PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR TRYING TO MOVE THOSE PROJECTS FORWARD. BUT I THINK OUR FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON UNDER DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WITH SUPPORT FROM STATE LEGISLATURES AND LOCAL COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE REALLY INVESTED IN CREATING A MORE EFFICIENT ENERGY SYSTEM AND CREATING SO MUCH SUPPORT FOR CLEAN ENERGY, IN NOT ONLY MASSACHUSETTS AND CALIFORNIA, BUT IN STATES LIKE TEXAS AND THROUGHOUT THE MIDWEST. AND GET ON BOARD WITH TRYING TO MOVE OUR ENERGY SYSTEM FORWARD. THAT WILL TAKE A COMMITMENT ACROSS GOVERNMENT; I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY EMBEDDED HERE IN THIS DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO ACROSS THE ENTIRE SCOPE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH CITIZENS PUSHING THIS FORWARD. IT CAN HELP IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT SIZE REGULATION. WE HAVE TO KEEP IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS IN PLACE, BUT WE HAVE TO ALSO STREAMLINE THE REGULATORY PROCESS FOR PROJECTS LOCATED IN THE RIGHT AREA, AGAIN, THE FOCUS OF THIS CONFERENCE. WE ALSO NEED TO INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE, PARTICULARLY IN TRANSMISSION THAT WILL LINK RENEWABLE PROJECTS TO THE GRID AND PROVIDED RENEWABLE POWER FOR OUR HOMES AND BUSINESSES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO AS I NOTED, DESPITE THE HIGHLY PARTISAN ENVIRONMENT IN CONGRESS, I BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT WILL MAKE IT A PRIORITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE INITIATIVES OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS. I THINK HE WILL RESIST THE SLASH AND BURN TACTICS THAT WERE PUT ON THE TABLE YESTERDAY. BUT AS WE LOOK FOR SUPPORT TO COME FROM THE TOP, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE WORK TOGETHER TO PUT THE RIGHT PROCESSES IN PLACE FROM BELOW AND TO KIND OF ENERGIZE OUR COMMUNITIES AT A NATIONAL LEVEL TO DEMAND THIS FROM OUR POLITICAL LEADERSHIP ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. THEN AS WE TAKE UP THE 21ST CENTURY ENERGY TRANSFORMATION IN EARNEST, TO GO FROM A HIGH CARBON BASE TO GO TO A LOW CARBON, CLEAN RENEWABLE BASE, WE WILL BE SURE TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT PROTECTS OUR 20THACHIEVEMENTS, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT I MENTIONED, IN TERMS OF PROTECTING OUR GREAT LANDSCAPES AND OUR NATIONAL TREASURES. THAT IS WHY I AM SO GLAD TO BE HERE IN THIS HALL AND TO BE HERE AT THIS WORKSHOP TODAY. AGAIN, INTERIOR BROUGHT US TOGETHER AT ONE TABLE AND TO DISCUSS OUR REGULATORY, SITING, AND CONSERVATION CONCERNS. THIS COLLABORATIVE, COORPERATIVE APPROACH IS CLEARLY THE BEST WAY TO DEVELOP AN EFFECTIVE RENEWABLE ENERGY STRATEGY GOING FORWARD, SO THAT WE CAN SEE CAPITAL COME FROM OFF THE SIDELINES AND BE PUT TO WORK WITH REAL PROJECTS AND SEE THOSE PROJECTS COME TO FRUITION. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE OUTCOME FROM THESE CONVERSATIONS. TOGETHER, I AM CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN MAKE SUBSTANTIAL PROGRESS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT IT WILL TAKE A LOT OF DIALOGUE, A LOT OF WORK, A LOT OF MONEY, AND A LOT OF SUPPORT AGAIN FROM PEOPLE, I THINK, ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION. I GUESS I AM TURNING THINGS BACK OVER TO STEVE. [APPLAUSE]

 

THANK YOU AGAIN, JOHN. LET'S GIVE JOHN ONE MORE ROUND OF APPLAUSE, PLEASE. [APPLAUSE] AND THANK YOU TO THE SECRETARY FOR JOINING US, SURPRISINGLY THIS MORNING. I WANT TO JUST REITERATE A COUPLE OF WORDS OF THANKS FROM YESTERDAY TO JANEA SCOTT AND NEIL KEMKAR, WHO TRULY HAVE MADE THIS HAPPEN, AND NOT JUST TODAY OR YESTERDAY, BUT JANEA AND NEIL HAVE WORKED WITH ME SINCE ABOUT APRIL, I THINK, MARCH OR APRIL OF 2009, AND REALLY MAKE THIS AGENDA HAPPEN. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL OBVIOUSLY TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND WORK WITH THE SECRETARY, BUT I KNOW AS MUCH AS BOB ABBEY AND DAN ASHE AND ROWAN GOULD AND OTHERS YOU KNOW SOMETIMES DO NOT LIKE TO HEAR FROM ME, THEY LOVE TO HEAR FROM JANEA IN PARTICULAR. [LAUGHTER] SO THEY HAVE BEEN AMBASSADORS THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT IN HELPING THE SECRETARY ACHIEVE HIS GOALS AND I REALLY JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM AGAIN TODAY. THANK YOU TO DAVID HAYES AND BOB IDABBY AND DAN AND OTHERS HERE FROM THE DEPARTMENT, MIKE POOLE, JIM ABBOTT, ALL OF WHOM HAVE HAD A ROLE AND A PART IN THE ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT WERE MADE YESTERDAY OF COURSE, BUT THE AGENDA FROM DAY ONE. THAT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE TO BE A PART OF THE TEAM. WE WILL TAKE A SHORT BREAK, AND YOU HAVE IN YOUR PROGRAM THE LIST OF ROOMS FOR EACH OF THE BREAKOUT SESSIONS. THESE ARE IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS. THE THIRD ONE, THE TRANSMISSION ROOM, WILL BE IN THE RACHEL CARSON ROOM IN THE CAFETERIA, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT, SO THAT IS ONE CHANGE TO THE AGENDA. IT IS STILL DOWNSTAIRS IN THE BASEMENT IN THE CAFETERIA. WE'LL GO TO THOSE, THEN WE WILL COME BACK HERE AND HAVE A REPORT OUT FROM TODAY'S BREAKOUT SESSIONS AND YESTERDAY'S BREAKOUT SESSIONS. THANK YOU AGAIN AND WE WILL SEE YOU A LITTLE BIT LATER THIS MORNING.

 

THANK YOU AGAIN WE HAVE ASKED ONE SPOKEPERSON FROM EACH BREAKOUT SESSIONS TO GIVE US EACH A BRIEF READOUT. THE PURPOSE OF THIS OBVIOUSLY IS TO TAKE WHAT WE HAVE HEARD TO FOCUS ON NEXT STEPS. WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION SO THIS IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL HEARD YOU AND WE HAVE A CLEAR SET OF ACTION ITEMS. WE ARE A RUNNING A LITTLE BEHIND SCHEDULE, SOME FOLKS UP ON THE STAGE NEED TO LEAVE RIGHT AWAY. BRIAN IS GOING TO START AND SO IF YOU SEE SOMEBODY STEP OUT THAT IS THE REASON. WE WILL CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION TILL WE ARE DONE. THANK YOU BRIAN.

 

THANK YOU STEVE AND I AM ONE OF THOSE FOLKS WHO GOT TO GO AND DO MY DAY JOB. SO I AM REPORTING OUT ON THE WIND ENERGY GUIDELINES. WE HAD A VERY ROBUST CONVERSATION AND I AM THE MERGER OF TWO SESSIONS. WE HAD TO SPLIT OUR SESSION IN TWO BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH INTERST IN THAT ONE. I AM GOING TO JUST MENTION THE BROADER TOPICS THAT CAME UP AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I MENTION THAT WE DID NOT MENTION YESTERDAY IS THAT ALL REFERENCE MATERIALS OF OUR GUIDELINES ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE ON THE WEBPAGE. SO YOU CAN REACH ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE REFERRENCED IN THERE AND THAT IS GOOD BECAUSE IT TELLS ME THAT FOLKS REALLY WANT TO DO A THOUROUGH REVIEW AND LOOK AT WHAT IS BEHIND THOSE GUIDELINES. SO THAT IS A GOOD THING. THE NEXT ONE IS A QUESTION CAME UP I DID MENTION THIS YESTERDAY WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE THESE VOLUNTARY OR MANDATORY GUIDELINES. THAT IS QUESTION THAT IS POSSED IN THE REGISTER OF NOTICES OF AVAILABLITIES WE HAVE THAT IMPUT SO THAT I AM GLAD TO HEAR THAT. THAT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP. OUR FAC GROUP THE GUYS THAT GAVE US GUIDENCE AND RECOMMENDATIONS REALLY WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE ENGAGED AND THAT IS VERY ENCOURAGING BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS SPENT TWO AND HALF YEARS WORKING ON RECCOMENDATIONS AND THE CONTEXT OF THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT THE TENNET AND THE CONSISTENCY OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY DEALT WITH ARE NOT UNDERMINED BY ANY CHANGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE AR GLAD TO HAVE THAT INTERCHANGE WITH THEM AND ACTUALLY WE WELCOME ALL OF YOU TO TAKE THAT APPROACH. LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND LOOK AT OUR GUIDELINES AND GIVE US COMMENTS WITHIN THOSE DOTCOM TEXT. THE TOPIC OF RESIDENTIAL VERSUS RURAL DEVELOPMENT CAME UP AND UNBENOUNCED TO US THERE IS A USDA PROGRAM THAT DEALS WITH VERY SMALL WIND TURBINES AT THE VERY LOCAL RESIDENTIAL LEVEL AND THERE MAY BE UNINTENDED IMPLICATIONS OF HOW WE WROTE OUR GUIDELINES THEREFORE WE HAVE MADE A PLEDGE TO WORK WITH USDA TO FIND A WAY TO SOLVE THAT CONCERN AND TAKE CARE OF IT AND MOVE FORWARD. RISK ASSESSMENT IS ANOTHER TOPIC THAT CAME UP AND THAT WAS ABOUT MAKING SURE OUR APPROACH IS CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE GUIDELINES AND WE ARE NOT USING LANGUAGE INTERCHANGABLY BETWEEN RISK ASSESSMENTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY WELL TAKEN AS A POINT. PRECONSTRUCTION STUDIES IS ANOTHER TOPIC THAT WAS DISCUSSED. ONE THAT CERTANTLY SETS THE TABLE FOR DECISION MAKING AND SITING DECISIONS THAT WILL BE MADE IN THE FUTURE FOR THOSE PROJECTS AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST THE INCENTIVE PART OF THAT MAKING SURE THAT THE QUOTE ON QUOTE LAW ENFORCEMENT LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THERE ABOUT MAKING FOLKS FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINES IN GOOD FAITH RECEIVE A LOWER ENFORCEMENT PRIORTY. SO THOSE WERE THE MAN TOPICS OUR TWO SESSIONS. AGAIN THOSE THAT DID PARTICIPATE WITH OUR SESSION THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SECONDALY FOR THOSE THAT DID NOT PLEASE ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE AS BROAD A REPRENSATION OF PROSEPECTIVES IN OUR NEXT STEPS AND WITH THAT THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DO APPOLOGIZE BECAUSE I GOT TO RUN. AS YOU ALL HEARD DAN IS HAVING HIS CONFIRMATION NEXT WEEK AND I NEED TO GO PREP HIM A LITTLE BIT OKAY SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. HAVE A GREAT DAY.


THANK YOU BRIAN. I AM PAUL SCHMIDT WITH THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE WE CONDUCTED YESTERDAY MORNING SESSION RELATIVE TO THE DRAFT EAGLE GUIDENCE DOCUMENT THAT CAME OUT THE DAY BEFORE AND I WILL REITERATE SOMETHING THAT BRIAN MENTIONED ABOUT THE GUIDELINES AND THAT IS WE ARE ASKING FOLKS TO COMMENT ON THEM IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS SO WE HOPE THAT YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. WE HANDED OUT COPPIES OF THEM FOR THOSE WHO WANTED HARD COPIES DURING THE MEETING. WE STARTED WITH A BIT OF A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO GIVE A FLAVOR FOR WHAT WAS IN THE DOCUMENT AND THEN THE REST OF THE TIME AFTER ENJOYING THE WONDERFUL SANDWHICH WE HAD A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS. MOSTLY IT WAS QUESTIONS FOR THE FISH AND WILD LIFE SERVE AND HOW THIS IT WOULD PLAY OUT IN THE SCENARIO OF A NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OF A NEW WIND TURBINE OR EXISTING ONE AND THERE WERE I WOULD SAY A FEW COMMENTS BUT WERE MOSTLY QUESTIONS AND SOME CONCERNS. ONE IS RELATIVE TO THE NEED FOR NEW INFORMATION AND HOW WE WOULD GAIN BETTER INFORMATION ON THE STATUS OF EAGLES. OTHERS INCLUDED QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT CUMMLATIVE EFFECTS OF ALL OF THESE VARIOUS PROJECTS. QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STATUS OF EAGLES. THERE WAS AN APPRECIATION FOR MAKING SOME DEFINITIVE ALBEIT DEFINITIVE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE STATUS OF GOLDEN EAGLES IN PARTICULAR AND THE FACT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE AS CERTAIN ON THE STATUS OF THOSE BIRDS AS WE WOULD LIKE AND SO MONITERING AN ADAPTIVE MANAGEMENT PLAYS A BIG PART OF EFFORS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS FOR SURE TO UNDERSTAND MORE NOT ONLY THE STATUS OF THE POPULATION BUT ALSO OF THE IMPACTS THAT MAYBE OCCURING. GOOD QUESTIONS AND DIALOGUE ABOUT THE ACTUAL PERMITING PROCESS AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT OF EAGLE CONSERVATION PLAN AND THE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT INTO OF GETTING PERMITS FOR BOTH EXISITING AND NEW WIND TURBINES . SO I THINK THAT WILL SUMMERIZE IT IN ABOUT TWO MINUTES. THANKS


HI I AM BURT FROST WITH THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE. MIKE POOL DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS OF BLM AND MYSELF HOSTED ONE OF THE SMART FROM THE STOP WORKSHOPS AND I THINK OURS WAS SPLIT INTO THREE DIFFERENT SESSIONS TOO. WE HEARD A LOT OF GOOD THINGS. SOME OF THE SALIENT POINTS THAT CAME OUT IS WE NEED TO WORK SOONER AND CLOSER TOGETHER AND I THINK BLM HAS DONE A REAL GOOD JOB OFMAKING THAT HAPPEN AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN WITH THE 2011 PROJECTS AS APPOSED TO THE 2010 PROJECTS. I REALLY APPRECAITE THE EFFORTS BLM HAS MADE WITH INTERIOR AGENCIES IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH US. THE THREE INSTRUCTION MEMOS THAT CAME OUT LAST WEEK. THEY REACHED OUT TO ALL THE BUREAUS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AND REALLY ASKED US FOR OUR COMMENT AND REALLY TOOK THE COMMENTS UP THAT WE PROVIDED TO THEM AND INCORPERATED THEM IN THE MEMOS. I THINK IT REALLY STRENGTHENED THE MEMOS AND IT IS REALLY GOING TO HELP US THAT PRE-APPLICATION IM IS REALLY GOING TO SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. THAT IS PART OF WORKING SOONER AND CLOSER TOGETHER. THAT IS REALLY SORT OF THE BIG POINT THAT CAME OUT OF OUR DISCUSSION. IT ALSO BROUGHT OUT NOT ONLY WORKING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR, BUT ALSO WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES BOTH WITHIN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND WITHIN STATE AGENCIES. TWO OF THE OTHER AGENCIES THAT WERE POINTED OUT IN OUR GROUP WAS THE DPEARTMENT OF DEFENSE AND FAA. THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR ALSO HAS A DOD LIASON, FRED PIECE, AND HE ATTENDS ALL OF OUR STRIKE TEAM MEETINGS AND SO DOD IS KEENLY ENGAGED. BUT WE DO NEED TO REACH OUT BETTER TO FAA AND SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS. THEN THE LAST POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT THE CONCERN WAS BROUGHT UP HOW DOES THE PUBLIC GET INVOLVED SOONER IN THE PROCESS SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS OF WHAT SOME OF THESE LARGER PROJECTS MAYBE AND WE DID NOT HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR HIM. BUT WE DID TAKE THAT DOWN AND TAKE IT TO HEART AND MOVE ON FROM THERE. I APPOLOGIZE ALSO AND I AM GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE. THANKS.

 


HI MY NAME IS BAMBI KRAUS AND I HEAD UP THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TRIBAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICERS HERE IN WASHINGTON DC AND I AM REPORTING ON THE ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION ON CONSULTATION, TRIBAL, AND NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT SECTION 106 AND OUR DISCUSSION QUESTIONS INCLUDED THE STATEMENTS THAT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR HAS A SIGNIFICANT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE STEWARDSHIP OF AMERICA'S HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES AND THAT THERE IS A TRUST RESPONSIBILITY OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT WITH INDIAN TRIBES. AND ALSO MENTIONED PRESIDENT OBAMA'S DIRECTION TO FEDERAL AGENCIES TO CONSULT WITH INDIAN TRIBES. AND OUR GROUP DISCUSSED THE IDEAS AND SOLUTIONS ABOUT CONSULATIONS AS WELL AS CONCERNS OF LEASE APPLICANTS, STATES, TRIBES, AND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMUNITY. SO BREAKING IT DOWN INTO THREE MAJOR CATEGORIES. ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS WAS WHAT MAKES THE CONSULTATION PROCESS WORK? SO JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SOME POINTS IS ONE OF THEM IS MUTUAL RESPECT AMONGST ALL PARTIES. ANOTHER IS EARLY INCLUSION OF TRIBAL GOVERNMENT IN ANY KIND OF CONSULTATION FOR ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD EFFECT A TRIBAL GOVERNMENT. ADEQUETE AND PROFESSIONAL WORKING RELATIONSHIPS, TRANSPARENCY AND TRUST. MOVING ON ANOTHER WOULD BE IMPORTANCE OF FIELD MANAGERS IN MOVING THE CONSULTATION PROCESS ALONG. WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THE PAST TWO DAYS AND WE HAVE HEARD QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE WASHINGTON DC RELATIONSHIP. BUT WE DID NOT WANT TO OVERLOOK THE IMPORTANCE OF THE FIELD MANAGERS GETTING THE WORK DONE ON THE LOCAL LEVEL. AND ALSO WHAT WOULD MAKE THE CONSULTATION PROCESS WORK WOULD BE THE FUNDING TO BRING ALL THE PARTIES TOGETHER ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS TOGETHER AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR NOT JUST THE INDIAN TRIBES BUT ALSO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE ALSO IDENTIFIED SOME IMPEDIMENTS. JUST A FEW THAT I AM GOING TO MENTION HERE ARE THE OVERWHELMING NUMBER AND SCOPE OF THE PROJECTS AND THE FAST TRACK NATURE OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS COMING DOWN AND HOW THEY EFFECT INDIAN GOVERNMENTS AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT IS A CHALLENGE FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED AND WE CONSIDER THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST IMPEDIMENTS. ANOTHER IMPEDIMENT WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE AS MANY PROPOSED ALTERNATIVES AS POSSIBLE. IN OTHER WORDS NOT JUST LIMITED TO A FEW PROPOSED ALTERNATIVES. WE HAD ONE TOPIC ON PRIVATE LAND PROJECTS AND THAT SEEMED TO GO ALONG THE LINES OF HOW TO CORRIDINATE THE STATE, FEDERAL AND TRIBAL CONSULTATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR ANY KIND OF PRIVATE LAND PROJECT. AND TO JUST MENTION TWO SOLUTIONS AGAIN WE MET LIKE YOU ALL DID FOR QUITE A BIT OF TIME. ONE IS TO HAVE A KNOWN AND AGREED UPOIN CONSULTATION PROCESS THAT IS UP FRONT AND EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW THE PROCESS IS GOING TO WORK. SO THAT YOU HAVE A DIFINITIVE END TO CONSULTATION SO THAT THERE IS NO LINGERING DOUBTS THAT NOT ALL SIDES WERE HEARD AND NOT THE BEST CONCLUSION CAME TO THE CONSULTATION PROCESS. HAVING A KNOWN AND AGREED UPON CONSULTATION PROCESS AND THEN FINALLY JUST TO BE AWARE OF AND SUPPORT UNIQUE TRIBAL DIFFERENCES. ESPECIALLY IN HOW THEY PERFORM AND DEFEND THEIR CULTURAL RESOURCES. NOT ALL TRIBES ARE ALIKE AND IN FACT MOST OF THEM ARE VERY DIFFERENT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT TO JUST UNDERSTAND THE VARIETY AND THAT'S IN THE END RUN IN MY EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH INDIAN GOVERNMENTS MY LIFE HAS NOT BEEN DIMINISHED IN ANY WAYS IN LEARNING ABOUT OTHER TRIBAL PEOPLE AND NATIVE CULTURES AND I FEEL THAT IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE I REALLY HAVE NOT HEARD ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED WITH TRIBAL GOVERNMENTS. IN FACT I THINK THAT IT HAS ENRICHED A LOT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR FOR HOSTING A VERY GOOD CONFERENCE AND I HAVE LEARNED QUITE A BIT. THANK YOU.  

 

HI, MY NAME IS LINDA RESSEGUIE I WAS THE FACILITATOR FOR THE LANDSCAPE LEVEL PLANING BREAK OUT SESSION. SOME OF THE MAIN POINTS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED AND VERY LIVELY WERE WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE REALLY CANNOT AFFORD TO CONSIDER PROJECTS ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BAISES ANYMORE. WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THE LARGER LANDSCAPE IN ORDER TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS THAT BEING SAID EVERYONE RECOGNIZES THAT WE HAVE DATA GAPS AND EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A LOT OF INITIATIVES GOING FORWARD RIGHT NOW THAT OUR COLLECTING DATA THERE IS NO CENTERAL DEPOSITORY FOR THAT DATA. SO THERE WAS AGREEMENT AMONGST THE GROUP TO SEEK COLLABORATION ABOUT HOW BEST TO SHARE DATA ONCE IT IS COLLECTED. THE OTHER POINT THAT ONE OF OUR PARTICIPANTS MADE WAS OF COURSE THAT THE DATA WE COLLECT IS DRIVEN BY THE QUESTIONS WE ASK. WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL AND DELIBERATE IN DECIDING WHAT QUESTIONS WE ARE ASKING SO WE DO GET MEANINGFUL DATA. ANOTHER POINT ALONG THOSE SAME LINES IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER MECHNAISM THAT ALLOWS US TO REFRESH THE DATA. DATA COLLECTED NOW MAY NOT BE USEFUL IN A FEW YEARS SO WE NEED A CONTINUOUS PROCESS. AGAIN RELATED TO THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF GOOD MONITORING PROGRAM AND WE SPOKE A LITTLE ABOUT THAT INITIATVE THAT CALIFORNIA, BLM, AND DRCP ARE LOOKING AT IN TURMS OF LONG TERM MONITORING FOR PROJECTS. BUT ALL THAT BEING SAID THOSE ARE THE GOALS. THERE WAS CONSENSUS THAT WE PROBABLY WILL NEVER BEEN IN A PLACE WHERE EVERYONE IS ASSURED THAT WE HAVE COMPLETE DATA, PERFECT DATA, SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MANAGE TO SOME DEGREE IN AN AREA OF RISK. THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SOLAR PEIS TO PROPOSED ALTERNATIVES. THERE WAS CONCERN THAT PERHAPS THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE SMALLER MORE ZONES IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRANSMISSION NEEDS. THERE WAS DESIRE FOR MORE FOCUS ON TRANSMISSION TO THE ZONES AND THERE WAS A DEFINITE INTEREST IN IDENTIFYING ZONES IN THE WEST MOJAVE. AGAIN THAT BEING SAID, THE INDUSTRY POINT OUT THAT WE DON'T WANT SOLAR ENERGY TO BE THE BOTIQUE ENERGY; WE WANT IT TO BE THE MAINLINE SOURCE OF ENERGY FOR OUR CONTRY. SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN THE SITING. FLOKS ACKNOLEDGE THAT THEIR HAVE BEEN IMPRESSIVE COORDINATION AND DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE AGENCIES AND STAKEHOLDERS IN THE PLAINING PROCESS TO DATE FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY AND THEY ARE COMMITIED TO CARRYING THAT FORWARD AND BUILDINGIN ON WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR. LASTLY, WHEN IT COMES TO LANDSCAPE LEVEL PLAINING THERE IS NO SINGLE DICESION POINT THER IS JUST A DECISION PROCESS THAT WE ALL NEED TO PARTICIPATE IN.


HI, MY NAME IS SCOTT HIGHSEE AND I WORK IN NREL. I HAVE BEEN ON A DETAIL HERE IN THE INTERIOR. OUR SESSION WAS A CONCLOBERATION OF THREE DIFFERENT AREAS. HYDRO, THE RESTORATION PROJECT IN ARIZONA, AND SOME COLLABORATION BETWEEN DOD AND BLM SO I WILL GO THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY. FIRST WE TALKED BUREUA OF RECLAMATION SOME OF THE PROJECTS THEY ARE WORKING ON. HYDRO BEING ONE OF THE LARGEST SOURCES IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. THE NEXUS WITH WATER AND ENERGY FOR EXAMPLE 4% OF THE ENERGY USED IN ARIZONA IS USED TO DEVLIVER WATER. WE REALLY TALKED ABOUT HOW WE CAN INTERGRATING SOME OTHER RENEWABLES INTO THE RECLEMATION SYSTEM. STARTED TO LOOK AT THAT. SOME COMMENTS FROM INDUSTRY, THE HYDRO POWER ASSOCIATION, REALLY WANTS TO PARTNER WITH THE GOVERNMENT, THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR, THE CORP OF ENGINEERS TO LOOK AT INCREASING THE RENEWABLE ENERGY FROM HYDRO THAT WE GET FROM HYDRO. WE TALKED ABOUT PERHAPS DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF HYDRO WE CAN GET IN THIS COUNTRY. SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE AS COMPLEX AS LICENSING REQUIREMENTS AND TIMELINES WERE MIXED UP. FOR EXAMPLE IT CAN TAKE 5 TO 10 YEARS TO LICENSING A HYDRO PROJECT AND IF SOME OF THE POLICIES AND INCENTIVES OUT THERE ARE ONLY GOOD FOR TWO YEARS THAN THERE IS A DISJOINT THERE. THE RESTORATION DESIGN PROJECT, THIS IS A PROJECT OUT THERE IN ARIZONA LOOKING AT WHERE THE BEST SPOTS TO SITE RENEWABLES ACROSS ALL LAND OWNERSHIPS. NOT JUST BLM LANDS, FEDERAL LANDS, WE ARE LOOKING AT PRIVATE LANDS, ABANDONED MINE AREAS, DISTURBED AREAS. WE ARE REALY TRYING TO GET TO AREAS WHERE AREA THE BEST SPOTS TO SITE RENEWABLES NOT WEAR WE CANNOT SITE RENEWABLES. WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS. THERE ARE HOPES TO HAVE EIS DRAFT EIS COMPLETED BY THE SUMMER ON THAT PROJECT. IT COULD BE A MODEL FOR OTHER STATES TRYING TO DO THIS OVERLAY THE OTHER AREAS AND THEY DO PLAN TO AMMEND THE LAND USE PLANS TO ALLOW RENEW REDEVELOPMENT AREAS TO BE SITED. THE THIRD AREA WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE INSULAR AREAS, WHICH ARE THE PACIFIC TERRITORIES, AS WELL AS THE US VIRGIN ISLANDS. DOE AND DOI ARE PUTTING IN SOME JOINT EFFORT INTO LOOKING HOW WE CAN REDUCE BY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS THE FOSSIL GENERATION IN THOSE TERRITORIES. SO THESE ARE INTERGRATED PROJECT LOOKING ACROSS ALL RENEWABLES AS WELL AS ENERGY EFFICIENCIES, TRANSPORTATION AND POLICIES. SOME OF THE COMMENTS THERE IS THAT IT IS LOW MARGIN BUSINESS IN DEVELOPING RENEWABLE ENERGIES. SO IF YOUR ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP THESE SMALL SYSTEMS OUT IN INSULAR AREAS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO TRY TO GET SOME GOOD INFORMATION UPFRONT. WIND RESOURCE MAPS, SOLAR ENERGY RESOURCE MAPS THAT HAVE INFORMATION THAT THE DEVELOPERS CAN THEN USE TO MOVE TOWARDS. THEN THE LAST WAS A JOINT DOD BLM WORK THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON AND REALLY THERE 16 MILLION OF THE 28 MILLION DOD ACRES ARE WITHDRAWN LANDS FROM BLM SO THAT BLM ACUTALLY OWNS THOSE LANDS. SO THERE IS A LOT OF COMPLEX REGULATORY PROCESSES. IF THE DOD WANTS TO DEVELOP RENEWABLES ON THOSE LANDS. FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT DEVELOPERES WANT A 30 YEAR LEASE BUT THOSE WITHDRAWELS ARE ONLY 20 YEARS. SO IF YOU ARE A COUPLE OF YEARS INTO IT, SAY YOU GOT 4 YOU HAVE ONLY GOT 17 YEARS LEFT ON THEIR LEASE AND A DEVELOPER WANTS 30 YEARS. PERHAPS DOD AND BLM CAN WORK TO JOINTLY OFFER THAT 30 YEAR GUARENTEE TO THE DEVELOPER. A LOT OF MISSION RELATED ISSUES. BUT THERE IS A TASK FORCE THAT IS BEING FORMED TO JOINTLY LOOK AT THESE ISSUES THOSE DOD LANDS. 


HI MICHELLE DESTATELL, I WORK AT THE DEPARTMENTS WIND ENERGY PROGRAM. I AM ON DETAIL IN THE BURUEA OF LAND ENERGY TEAM. I FACILITATED THE INTERGRATING TRANSMISSIONS CONSIDERATIONS & TRANSMISSION PLANNING ROUND TABLE. THE OUTCOMES THEY EXPECTED ARE TO SEEK CHALLENGES AND POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND OUR SPEAKERS WERE DAVID MEYER FROM DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, LUCAS LUCERO FROM BLM, AND BOB CUNNINGHAM FROM THE FOREST SERVICE. DAVID MEYER STARTED OFF TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PLANING AND SITING AND THAT YOU NEED TO INFORM SITING THROUGH CAREFULL PLANING. BUT IT IS AN INERTIVE PROCESS AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW TO CONTINUE TO FIND THE PURPOSE AND NEED. LUCAS PROVIDED SOME PRACTICAL SUGGESTIONS FOR THE PEOIPLE IN AUDIENCE. WE HAD ABOUT TWO THIRDS FEDERAL AGENCIES AND THE REST WERE DIVIDED EQUALLY AMONGST INDUSTRY AND NGOS. AND SOME OF THE THINGS HE TALKED ABOUT WERE DOING YOUR HOMEWORK, LOOKING AT EXISTANT RMPS AND WHERE THE LAND USE PLAINING PROCESS IS GOING. ALSO TO LOOK AT EXISTING ENERGY CORRIDORS WHEN YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT TRANSMISSION. TALKING WITH YOUR COMMUNITY. WORKING WITH SOMEONE WHO AS ALREADY SUCCESSFULLY WORKED WITH THE BLM. WHO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. ALSO TO BE FLEXIBLE AND CLEARLY COMMUNICATE YOUR NEEDS TO THE VARIOUS AGENCIES. BOB CUNNINGHAM TALKED ABOUT NUTS AND BOLTS OF TRANSMISSION PLANING AND HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY DO EARLY ENGAGEMENT. IT'S DEFINIETELY SOME PEOPLE THINK IT SLOWS THINGS DOWN BUT IN THE END IT ACTUALLY SPEEDS UP THE PROCESS TO TRANSMISSION SITING. WE CONCLUDED WITH SOME POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS. TRYING TO GET FERC MORE INVOLVED, THINKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS THAT MIGHT CHANGE HOW YOU LOOK AT THE TRANSMISSSION EXISTANT COORIDORS. ALSO TO LOOK AT DOING GRID EFFECIENCY. DO WE NEED TO HAVE MORE TRANSMISSION, WHY CANN'T WE USE THE EXISTING TRANSMISSION IN A BETTER WAY. ALSO HOW CAN WE DO MORE PRE-SCOPING AND DATA SHARING AND THEN ALSO CAN WE THINK ABOUT MORE ENTREPRENORIAL WAYS TO WORK WITH INDUSTRY ON TRANSMISSION PLANNING. OF COURSE ALL OF THESE THINGS NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF STAKE HOLDERS, THERE IS LIMITED RESOURCES, AND THIS IS A LONG TERM PROCESS. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE WITH ON THIS IS THAT I BELIEVE WAS FRED MORRIS FROM AVINGOA. REMEMBER THIS IN REGARDS TO SOLAR ENERGY ZONES. ZONES WITHOUT WIRES IS ACEMETARY FOR DEVELOPERS. 


MY NAME IS ASHLEY AND I FROM BLM AND FACILIATATED ONE OF THE SMART FROM THE START SESSIONS. IT WAS ADEPTLY TEE-ED UP BY RAY BRADY TO MY LEFT AND TED BOLING. WE HAD ABOUT 50 PERCENT REPRESENTATION FROM AGENCIES, 25 PERCENT FROM ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, AND 25 PERCENT FROM INDUSTRY. WE CAME UP WITH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS AND CAME UP WITH A FEW OPPORTUNITIES AND A FEW CHALLENGES TO ADDRESS. WE WERE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE IMS THAT CAME OUT THIS WEEK. WE SAID TO RENDER A PROJECT SMART FROM THE START REALLY FOCUS ON EARLY CONSULTATION. THE PRE APPLICATION MEETING SHOULD INCLUDE BLM VIABLE ALTERNATIVE SITES SO THAT WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES TO THE TABLE THERE ARE A FEW SITES THAT MIGHT BE OPEN. WE ALSO AGREED THAT DEVELOPERS IN THE BLM SHOULD SEEK OUT OTHER AGENCIES, TRIBES, AND LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS EXPERTS FROM THE AREA WHERE THE PROJECT IS PURPOSED TO LEARN ABOUT RESOURCES IN THE AREA ESPECIALLY THOSE RESOURCES IN UNSERVEYED AREAS BEFORE A LOT OF MONEY IS SPENT. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT INCLUDING THE ENTIRE FOOT PRINT OF THE PROJECT SO FROM THE PROJECT SITE THROUGH THE INTERCONNECT TO THE SUBSTATION ALL THE DOWN STREAM IMPACTS WHEN CONSIDERING PROJECT SITING. THEN FINALLY IN THE EARLY CONSULTATION DISCUSSION WE DECIDED THAT MITIGATION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE PRE-APPLICATION MEETING AS WELL. TALK ABOUT AVAILABLE AREAS FOR MITIGATION. IN TERMS OF CRITERIA ADJUSTMENTS WE HAD SEVERAL THERE WAS A BELIEF THAT THERE SHOULD BE STRONG CRITERA CONSIDERATION FOR TRANSMISSION STATUS AND THE STATUS OF POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENTS THAT SOME MEDIUM CONFLICT AREAS ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE CURRENT POLICY MAY ACUTALLY BE HIGH CONFLICT AREAS. THAT CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE SAVINGS AND IMPACT OF THE PROJECTS SHOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED AS PART OF CRITERIA FOR SCREENING. CRITERIA SCREENING SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE TRADEOFFS AND THE BENEFITS WELL TRADEOFFS FROM RETIRING FOSSIL FUEL GENERATION AND THE BENEFITS FOR BRINGING RENEWABLE ENERGY ONLINE. FINALLY INCLUDE THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT IN THE CRITERIA SCREENING. AND THEN FOR CHALLENGES WE ADDRESSED A FEW. ONE WAS THAT FOR IMPLEMENTATION FOR THE IMS STAFF FROM THE AGENCIES WILL NEED A LOT OF TRAINING. THERE MAY BE SOME NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO IMPLEMENT THEM. THERE ARE TWO OTHER CHALLENGES. ONE IS THAT IT SEEMS LIKE A SEEMINGLY ARBITRARY LIMITATION OF RENEWABLE ENERGY ESPECIALLY SOLAR DEVELOPMENT TO ZONES WHEREAS NOTED THAT OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT WERE NOT LIMITED TO ZONES. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A MENTION THAT WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ADDRESS COMPETITIVE RIGHT OF WAY CITINGS. SO THAT IF APPLICATIONS COME IN ALL AT ONCE THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO PICK THE BEST APPLICATION FOR A GIVEN AREA RATHER THAN THE ONE THAT IS FIRST IN TIME.


THANK YOU VERY MUCH ASHLEY. MY NAME IS RAY BRADY. I AM THE TEAM LEAD FOR MY ENERGY POLICY TEAM WITH THE BUREUA OF LAND MANAGEMENT. I FACILITATED THE MINIMIZING IMPACTS FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY AND ACHIEVING EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE DURING MITIGATION OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK THERE WAS A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT THE CRITICAL FIRST STEP OF THE PROCESS IS SITING CONSIDERATIONS AND TO AVOID MINIMIZE AND MITIGATE IMPACTS UPON OUR INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THAT SITING IS THE CRITICAL FIRST FACTOR. IF MITIGATION IS NECESSARY, THE COMPESENTORY MITIGATION IS THE PREFERRED OPTION OVER ACQUASITION OF LANDS THAT PROVIDES YOU THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE THE GREATEST BENEFIT TO SPECIES IMPACTS. WITH COMPENSATORY MITIGATION OR ESTABLOSHING MITIGATION BANKS THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS THAT ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. ONE IS ESTABLISHING PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, WHICH PROVIDE THE BEST BENEFITS FOR MANAGEMENT OF A MITIGATION BANK. A FUNDING STRUCTURE THAT PROVIDES FOR LONG TERM MANAGEMENT OF CONSERVATION LANDS THAT IS PART OF THAT MITIGATION BANK IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. THE PERMANCY OF THE LANDS THAT YOU ARE SETTING ASIDE FOR CONSERVATION PURPOSES IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. MANY OF THESE LANDS THAT MAY BE SET ASIDE FOR CONSERVATION PURPOSES ARE PROBABLY IN AND OF THEMSELVES ARE GOING TO BE BLM MANGAED LANDS AND HOW IS BLM THROUGH OUR PROCEDURES SET ASIDE THOSE LANDS FOR LONG TERM PERMANCY. TRANSPARENCY OF MANGAMENT OF MITIGATION ACCOUNTS IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THOSE MONIES ARE WISELY SPENT. THEN THE CLOSING COMMENT WAS THAT EVEN WITH COMPENSATORY MITIGATION AND ESTABLISHING CONSERVATION LANDS IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A PROGRAM IN PLACE TO LONG TERM MONITOR THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR MITIGATION EFFORTS. THANK YOU.


I AM PETER WHINER FROM PAUL HASTINGS. I AM A SOLAR INDUSTRY ATTORNEY. I AM REPORTING OUT FROM THE SESSION ON RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS ON PRIVATE LANDS. IT WAS AN ESA ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION LEAD ABLY BY GARY FRAZER AND MICHAEL FRISK FROM THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE. THE IMPORTANCE OF PRIVATE LAND FOR RENEWABLE DEVELOPMENT ESPECIALLY FOR SOLAR DEVELOPMENT IS THAT DISTURBED PRIVATE LAND MAYBE THE BEST LAND AVAILABLE IN TERMS OF LOW CONFLICTS ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO SPECIES ALSO WITH REGARD TO CULTURAL IMPORTANCE AND IS HIGHLY VALUED FOR SUCH PURPOSES BOTH BY ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS AND BY DEVELOPERS. THE AVAILABILITY OF THAT PROVATE LAND HAS BEEN AN ISSUE BUT INCREASINGLY CERTANTLY IN 2011 PROJECTS WE ARE SEEING ARE EMPHASIZE PRIVATE LAND VERSUS PUBLIC LAND AND IN THE ARRID WEST THERE IS OFTEN NOT A FEDERAL NEXUS THAT WOULD RESULT IN A SECTION 7 CONSULTATION. EVEN THOUGH THESE LANDS ARE DISTURBED THYE OFTEN HAVE SPECIES ISSUES. ONE EASY EXAMPLE IS THAT MUCH IRRIGATION IS DONE IN CROP CIRCLES AND AT THE EDGES OF THOSE CROP CIRCLES ARE THE SQUARES OF THE LAND AND IN THOSE CORNERS ARE CRITTERS. SO FISH AND WILD LIFE SERVICE DOES HAVE A ROLE AND FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS TO BE FEASIBLE ON PRIVATE LAND HABITAT CONSERVATION PLANING HAS TO TAKE PLACE IN A TIMELY WAY. FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS WILL NOT REALLY DO IT AND EVEN TWO YEARS MAYBE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE SPEED OF A SECTION SEVEN CONSULTATION. IN THE DISCUSSION BOTH ENVIRONMENTAL REPRESENTATIVES AND DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVES EMPHASIZE THE NEED FOR EARLY INVOLVMENT OF THE SERVICE OF HCPS. THIS CAN BE DONE IN TERMS OF DEVOTING RESOURCES TO PRE-APPLICATION AND FORMAL CONSULTATION WITH THE DEVELOPER AND ALSO WITH THE OTHER STAKE HOLDERS SO THAT BOTH THE APPLICANT AND SERVICE ARE ON THE SAME WAVE LENGTH AS FOR WHAT SPECIES ARE INVOLVED FOR WHAT ACTIVITIES ARE AND WHAT IS NECESSARY TO FILE A GOOD HCP APPLICATION. ONE OF THE ISSUES AT THE END OF THE ROAD THAT HAS BEEN EMPHASIZED AS WELL ON OUR GROUP WAS THE ENFORCEABLITY AND ENFORCEMENT OF HCPS SO THAT WHAT IS PLANNED HAPPENS. THE FEDERAL PARTNERS LIKE USDA AND DOD IN OUR GROUP WERE INTERESTED IN TRYING TO FIND NEW WAYS TO WORK BETTER WITH THE SERVICE AND APPLICANTS ON LOW EFFECTS HCP AND IDENTIFYING MILITARY CONFLICTS AND WE HAD SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION. AT THE HEART OF ALL OF THIS IS A LACK OF STAFF FOR THE SERVICE TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES ON HCPS. THEY CAN BE RESOURCE INTENSIVE NOT ONLY FOR THE APPLICANT BUT FOR THE SERVICE. AND WE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT THE SERVICE MAY HAVE EXISTING DISCRETION TO CHARGE FEES FOR SERVICE APART FROM THE HUNDRED DOLLARS FEE THAT IT NOW CHARGES FOR AN HCP APPLICATION. IT MAY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO REINBURSABLE AGREEMENTS AS WELL. THERE WAS SOME MODELS THAT WERE MENTIONED AS PRECIDENT FOR THAT AND THE SERVICE IS EXPLORING THEM AS WE SPEAK. WE HOPE WE CAN MAKE SOME PROGRESS ON THAT.


GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS MIKE BLACK WITH THE BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFARS AND I PARTICIPATED IN THE ROUND TABLE ON ADDRESSING CHALLENGES TO BUILDING RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS ON INDIAN OR TRIBAL LANDS. WE HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM INDIAN AFFAIRS, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND USDA AS PANELISTS AND WE OPENED DISCUSSING SOME OF THE EFFORTS DIFFERENT AGENCIES ARE TAKING TO FURTHER THE DEVELOPMENT OF RENEWABLE PROJECTS ON INDIAN COUNTRY. THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR WE TALKED ABOUT IDENTIFYING SOME OF THE PROCESSES AND POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS ON HOW WE CAN HELP. BEGINNING WITH REVIEWING AND REVISION OF SOME OF OUR LEASING REGS AND BEING ABLE TO BETTER ADDRESS RENEWABLE PROJECTS. A WORK FORCE DEVELOPMENT AND TRAINING EFFORTS. GETTING BEYOND THE FEASABILITY STUDIES AND MOVING TOWARDS MARKABILITY AND PARTNERSHIPS. TRUST AND THE EFFORTS TO RESTORE TRIBAL HOMELANDS TO GIVE THEM A BETTER ECONOMIC BASE TO MOVE FORWARD AND ALSO THE HIRING OF AN ECONOMIST TO BETTER ABLE OR ALLOW US TO PROVDE THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WE CAN PROVIDE. USDA AND DOD ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW OFFICES WITHIN BOTH OF THEIR AGENCIES. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY TRACEY LEBEAU THE NEW DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF INDIAN ENERGY PLANNING AND POLICY DEVELOPMENT WAS THERE AND TALKED ABOUT THE EFFORT SHE IS UNDERTAKING WITH HER NEW OFFICE. USDA JANY HIP TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THEY HAVE AVAILABLE AND THE PARTNERSHIPS AND COLABORATION EFFORTS THEY ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP. THEN WE HAD SOME REAL GOOD COMMENTS BEING ABLE TO BALANCE SOME OF THE INTERNAL TRIBAL DYNAMICS AND THE COMPETING INTERESTS THAT SOMETIMES OCCUR BETWEEN THE TRIBAL MEMBERS AND THE TRIBAL INTERESTS THEMSELVES. THE NEED FOR CAPACITY BUILDING BOTH INFRASTRUCTURE AND ADMINISTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL ALLOW THE TRIBES TO MOVE FORWARD AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOUND BUSSINESS PRACTICES AND STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS BOTH FEDERAL, PRIVATE, AND THE STATES. THEY TALKED ABOUT INCENTIVES AND WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN DO TO ASSIT THE TRIBES IN DEVELOPING INCENTIVES PACKAGES SUCH AS POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENTS, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE TAX ISSUES THEY RUN INTO WITH SOME OF THE STATES. NEPA AND ENVIRONMENTAL. TRANSMISSION AND THE AVAILABILTY AND ACCESS TO THE TRANSMISSION LINES TO GET THE POWER OUT AND THE CONTINUED AND IMPROVED CONSULTATION PROCESSES. THANK YOU.


HI, I AM LAURA MORTON I AM WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND I AM AN ADVISOR FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY. I PARTICPATED IN AND FACILITATED THE SMART FROM THE START THE THIRD OF PUBLIC LANDS SESSIONS THAT MANY OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED WERE COMMON AMONG EVERYBODY HERE WHO HAS TALKED. I ECHO ALL OF THOSE THEMES. THE FIRST ONE THIS WAS ALSO IN THE TRANSMISSION SESSION WE NEED TO CONSIDER RENEWABLE GENERATION AND TRANSMISSION TOGETHER. SO NOT HAVE THOSE COMPLETELY STOVED PIPED BUT ACTUALLY HAVE THEM CONSIDERED TOGETHER ALSO WITHIN THE ZONES AND TO INCORPORATE IT IN THE ZONE DECISIONS. NOT SURPRISINGLY COORDINATION AND COLLABORATION AMONG THE STATES, BETWEEN THE STATES, WITH THE FEDERAL AGENCIES INCLUDING ALL THE STAKE HOLDERS AND ALSO INCLUDING THE TRIBES. THE NEXT WAS ADVOCACY FOR GUIDING DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN HAVING IT JUST BE DEVELOPER DRIVEN OR SITE SPECIFIC. ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES THAT WAS RAISED A COUPLE TIMES IS AGAIN THE NEED TO HAVE FUNDING AND RESOURCES IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE THESE ISTRUCTION MEMORANDA ACROSS THE FEDERAL AGENCIES. THE ISSUE WAS RAISED ABOUT POSSIBLE COST RECOVERY AGREEMENTS AND I HAVE HEARD THAT SEVERAL TIMES. IN TERMS OF THE NEEDS ONE THING I HAVE NOT HEARD TODAY AND I KNOW I HAVE HEARD A LOT OVER THE YEARS IS THE NEED FOR ACCOUNTABILITY AND FOR TIMING OF REVIEWS. SO THAT THE DEVELOPERS AND OTHERS HAVE CERTANTY WHEN MOVING FORWARD AND DO NOT JUST HAVE THEIR APPLICATIONS LANGUISHING. I THINK EVEN GREATER THAN THAT WAS ALSO THE NEED FOR MORE EXPERIENCE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT FIELD OFFICES HAVE AND THIS IS JUST FOR DOE TECHNOLOGY TO BETTER ABLE TO EVALUATE THESE APPLICATIONS. ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS ALSO MENTIONED I BELIEVE WAS BY ASHLEY WAS THE NEED TO HAVE A COMPARTITIVE ANALSYIS OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENERGY THAT ARE USED IN PUBLIC LANDS AND TO ACTUALLY COME ON BOARD WITH A NATIONAL POLICY TO TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF USING RENEWABLE ENERGY AND THEIR ROLE IN CUTTING CARBON EMMESSIONS.


THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR ALL THE COMMENTS EARLIER. I AM GOING TO REITERATE SOME OF THEMES AS WERE EXPRESSED AS WE DISCUSSED IN OUR GROUP. THE IMPROVING OF THE PERMITING PROCESS LESSONS LEARNED IN 2010 AND THIS IS DEVELOPED FROM A DECEMEBER 22 LETER THAT WAS SENT BY DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR IT HIGHLIGHTS SIX RECOMMENDATIONS. I WILL GO THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY. ACTUALLY I WILL SPEND ABOUT 20 MINUTES AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A TWO HOUR DISCUSSION BECAUSE ITS GOOD STUFF. MICHAEL MANTELL, JOHANNA WALD, AND PETER WEINER WERE ALL OUR DISCUSSION LEADS. SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE DISCUSSED IN THE GROUP WERE WHAT IS A GOOD PROJECT AND HOW DO YOU GET TO BE A GOOD PROJECT AND HOW DOES THE PROCESS HELP THE GOOD PROJECT. WHAT ABOUT CRITERIA, DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT CRITERIA, IS IT CLEAR ENOUGH AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE AND DISCUSSION ON CRITERIA ITSELF. THERE WERE A LOT OF LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE CLAIFORNIA DESSERT AND RENEWABLE ENERGY WORKING GROUP. A LOT OF THE FOCUS WAS ON INITIALLY ON SOLAR PROJECTS BUT AGAIN THIS GROUP WAS BROADENING ITS HORIZON'S TO ALL RENEWABLE PORJECTS AND REALLY WANTS TO SEE THE LESSONS JUST FROM CALIFORNIA TAKING TO THE NATION IN NORTH AMERICA. THE IMPORTANCE WAS MEANTIONED EARLIER ABOUT EARLY AND OFTEN AND HOW CRITICAL THAT WAS TO SUCCESS THE AGENCY COORDINATION THE PROJECT SUCCESS AND THE ON GOING NEXT STEPS. THE QUALITY AND CONSISTENTCY OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW HOW TO COORDINATE AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THE STANDARDS AND MITIGATION AND SCIENTIFIC METHODOLOGY FOR USING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE PROJECTS. ALSO THE COORDINATION AMONG THE AGENCIES, BETWEEN THE AGENCIES, AMONG THE DEPARTMENT AND BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS AND HOW CRITICAL THAT IS. NEXT STEPS THAT WE HIGHLIGHTED WERE THERE IS STILL MORE TO DO BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF GREAT MOMENTUM WE NEED TO CONTUE TO BUILD UPON. WE ARE REALLY GOING TO GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF THE MITIGATION EFFORTS AND HOW TO TAKE THAT TO THE NEXT STEP. THE TIME TABLES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED THERE ARE SOME EXISTING ONES FOR SOLAR. WHAT ABOUT WIND AND GEOTHERMAL AND TRANSMISSION PROJECTS AND AGAIN HOW DO YOU TIE ALL OF THESE TOGETHER. AND TO REALLY HIT HOME WITH COMMUNICATION IS ESSENTIAL. EARLY AND OFTEN, UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU COMMUNICATE, HOW DO YOU COORDINATE THE COMMUNICATION, HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE THE LESSONS LEARNED. LOOKING AT THE SIZES OF THE PROJECT IS THEIR A SCREENING SHOULD THERE BE A SCREEN, WHAT SHOULD BE THE BOUNDARIES FOR THIS SO MORE DISCUSSION NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE. ONE OF THE PHRASES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON LOOKING AT THE MORE WHOLES IN THE NET AND AGAIN YOU CAN WALK AWAY HOW MANY DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN INCORPORATE IT BUT REALLY ADDRESSING THE PROBLEMS THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED. FOCUS ON SITING AND THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS ON SITING AND PERMITING AND NEPA AND REALLY HOW CRITICAL THAT IS AND FOR THE LESSONS LEARNED AT THE BEGINIING OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE OF ARRA FUNDING WHAT PROJECTS LOOK LIKE AT THE BEGINNING, WHAT WAS THE COORDINATION, AFTER SIX TO NINE MONTHS WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE AT THE END AND THERE ALREADY WAS A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENT ALONG THE WAY THAT IS OUTLINED IN THIS LETTER YOU CAN LEARN FROM THESE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE PROCESS AND CONTINUE TO TAKE THESE INITIAIVES TO NEXT STEP. AND AGAIN IT IS TO GET TO THAT MORE REALISTIC PLAN BY GOOD PLANNING AND IT IS NOT JUST A PIECE OF PAPER. SO AGAIN THE SIZX CRITERIA OUTLINED IN THIS LETTER AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE DISCUSSION AND DIALOGUE ON IMPROVING ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS LISTED.


THANK YOU JULIA, WOULD GIVE THIS GROUP A ROUND OF APPLAUSE AND THANK YOU. THIS HAS BEEN A TRAFFIC REPORT OUT AND THERE ARE SOME GREAT IDEAS HERE OBVIOUSLY FOOD FOR THOUGHT AS WE GOOD FORWARD. I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE HELP US CONTINUE THIS DIALOGUE. IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK AS THE RESULT OF THE CONFRENCE IN THE LAST TWO DAYS PLEASE GET THOSE TO ME OR JENIA OR NIEL OR SOMEONE WITH WHOM YOU HAVE CONTACT HERE AT THE DEPARTMENT. NUMBER TWO I WANT TO THANK OUR PARTNERS AT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, EPA, AND DOD AND OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES, CEQ WHO HAVE PRACIPITATED IN THIS CONFERENCE. I THINK YOU ALREADY SEE THE FRUITS OF THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH OUR SISTER AGENCIES HERE AND THE ADMINISTRATION AND SO WE THANK YOU FOR THAT AND THEN TO ALL OF OUR PARTNERS AND STAKE HOLDERS REPRESENTATIVED HERE ON THE STAGE NOW. THE FISH AND WILD LIFE SERVICES OBVIOUSLY HAD TO LEAVE EARLIER BUT THIS IS AN ON GOING CONVERSATION AND A REAL COLABORATIVE EFFORT YOU HAVE SEEN AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT. SO WE NEED YOUR HELP AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU. I WANT TO SAY ONE WORD ABOUT WIND ENERGY DEVELOPMENT. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON SOLAR BUT I HOPE YOU HEARD EQUAL EMPHASIS ON WIND. WE HAVE HAD SOME REAL CHALLENGES ONSHORE BUT THE SECRETARY IS VERY COMMITTED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT OF WIND ENERGY. YOU HEARD HIM SAY AND DAVID SAY YESTERDAY AND JOHN PODESTA AGAIN THIS MORNING THE OPPORTUNITIES OFF SHORE ARE ENORMOUS AND WE ARE SEIZING THOSE OPPORTUNITES. BUT ONE THING I WANT TO DRAW YOU ATTENTION TO I WAS IN WYOMMING LAST WEEK SPEAKING TO WYMOMMING INFRASTRUCTURE AUTHORITY, BLM IS LOOKING AT ZONES IN WYOMMING THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR WIND ENERGY DEVELOPMENT. SO ALTHOUGH WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SOLAR PEIS THAT FOCUSED EFFORT IS OCCURING ON A STATE BY STATE AND REGIONAL BASIS AS WELL FOR WIND. OBVIOUSLY THE MIGRANTRY BIRD GOLD AND BALD EAGLE CHALLENGE WE FACED THIS YEAR HAVE REALLY CAUSED US TO STEP BACK AND TAKE A HARD LOOK TO ENSURE WE DO IT RIGHT. I THINK THE GUIDANCE THAT THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE PUT OUT THIS WEEK IS IMPORTANT STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US. WE HAVE ENORMOUS CHALLENGES. A LOT OF UNASWERED QUESTIONS, A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU THIS YEAR. THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING. MY THANKS AGAIN TO NEIL AND JENIA AND THE ENTIRE TEAM. I COULD NOT NAME THEM ALL WHO HELPED PUT THIS TOGETHER. MY LAST REQUEST IS TO PLEASE RECYCLE YOUR BADGES ON YOUR WAY OUT THE DOOR. THANKS VERY MUCH.